Maryland Citizens Redictricting Commission Full Commission Meeting June 11, 2021 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:14.000 If I can interrupt I don't see the closed captions oh good okay here, here, here, here. 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.000 All right. 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:33.000 Good afternoon commissioners and also those that have tuned in. This is a working meeting and one one or two issues there that's come up and wanted to get a determination and discussion as to the Commission's feel for what we need to do. 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:49.000 We are back well. I believe that all of you received a request from commission of books are requesting again a proposal for the advisor on a South Asian community person. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:58.000 And all of us got it, and the initial reaction of the shares was to check with Jay 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:04.000 and get his reaction because I believe he is up. 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:09.000 Something Asian I believe. But at this point, 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:21.000 We wanted to make sure that commission of books, and an opportunity for for opportunity to make our presentation, and then get a discussion going on and to see where we go. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:44.000 One of the side issues that came up was whether, even though there are members on the commission who may represent a stake up by Doherty. I should we be precluded from a practical standpoint of hiring an expert, we have representation already there. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:05:00.000 So, let me first now to Commissioner Brooks up me she submitted the resume of that Sri Rama know very very prescient no question about it. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:14.000 And a lot of experience and Planning Commission. So, Commissioner Brooks, unless you have the floor and you can tell us what your request would be. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Yes, sir. And thank you, I did send the resume out to everyone. So, my expectation was just two people go through the same process we did in the past for the other advisor which I appreciate the opportunity to give other individuals an opportunity to 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:41.000 say what they thought that was necessary or not, you know, that's what we did the Commission, the first advisor came about. So she does have NASA and ramen has years of experience in urban planning and redistricting as well. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:46.000 And she's a she's not a Human Relations Commission, the founder of a homeless shelter for women and children. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:06:00.000 Personally Islamic Center and has worked with him in the past. He has two master's degrees in urban geography and planning, as well as an urban planning and her background with the ball or Metropolitan Council and the Maryland Department of Planning to 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:17.000 be seemed like a good area of expertise to support the voice of the community. I do understand Jay that you are also, you know, have that same culture and, you know, your input is value I just thought in terms of the process since you had a strong resume 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:26.000 and was very knowledgeable in the community and over the years that we should also determine whether or not. She's worthy of considering as an advisor for our commission. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:28.000 So, That's what I'd like to share. Thank you. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:29.000 Terrible. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:39.000 Okay, awesome well so Shariah law you requesting still advisor. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.000 Yes, I was requesting an advisor. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:07:00.000 All right, well I'll throw it out to the other commissioners, you give us your views on this requests and again the initial reaction from the CO chairs was that we would defer to the opinion of. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Jay, and his opinion was that this sport may not be necessary right now, but we need to kill the idea, but any of the commissioners that have requests for an advisor and later perhaps for an expert. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:39.000 We want to make sure that is fully discuss questions I asked, and that we could make a determination how we want to address this at all. I feel a little ignorant, in terms of a South Asian is a a concentration around the state or the a robust number of 00:07:39.000 --> 00:08:02.000 people that have increased in that area, we know in the area of the Latinos and the Hispanic community has been a market, increase in that community. We didn't have any one on the commission, who was Latinos, so that clearly was the irrational there but 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:14.000 does anyone have any idea you could just for me as to the, the number of population or the trends or, or concentration, I just don't know. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:34.000 Charge there was someone else has spent a bit of time trying to research this all I'll jump in with my or Jay actually anytime you want to break into had to shave, let me know but I I tried to look up some basic figures. 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:56.000 And earlier and wanted to pass on a little of what I found from the Department of Planning his own website and also from other Maryland official websites, which is the most of the figures are for people of the Asian background, which combines several 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:12.000 different regions of Asia East Asia and South Asia, and where to put a places like Vietnam is not always consistent, but the the overall Asian population in Maryland. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:20.000 As of, the last census 10 years ago was approaching 6% it's probably higher now. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:29.000 And there is significant concentration of Asian Americans, particularly in Howard and montgomery county where it is. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:35.000 Upwards of 10 or even approaching 20%, that is 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:41.000 what's difficult, is to break down locally. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:57.000 The difference between East Asian South Asian and others, we know as far as. Overall, and I'll take a document from the Maryland Health Department here and put it in chat put the address in chat so anyone can can follow with this. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:04.000 Let me just do that briefly here. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:27.000 And that is our census pickers from 10 years ago. So again, be aware of this, probably change somewhat half that time, South Asian, namely Asian Indian Pakistani Nepalese Sri Lankan was slightly over 30% and institution was well over 100, well over 50% 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:37.000 50% in other words the majority of the Asian Maryland population was East Asian, as opposed to significant, but not majority. 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.000 South Asian components so so I leave that there. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:11:00.000 The things I've read in less formally see just that there are significant concentrations of Marylanders in East Asian heritage, particularly in Howard County and enough props to trigger questions of voting rights act application. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:15.000 I have not seen but perhaps someone else has whether there are any areas state where South Asian Marylanders have similar concentrations I live that others because I haven't been able to find out myself. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:21.000 Okay, Jay you ever do thing they're here. 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.000 Let me, let me unmute sorry. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:30.000 Yeah, no, I just follow in some Walters comments. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:48.000 I don't have any specific data in front of me I bothered to compile any data or research it so I apologize for my ignorance. But as far as just my general awareness and or you can call it anecdotal I suppose but is that any South Asian concentrations 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:58.000 are actually quite similar to the East Asian concentrations. Howard County montgomery county in pockets Baltimore County, and perhaps and Randall. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:11.000 And so generally Central Maryland, very limited probably. And again, take this as just a somewhat angle and or my own just general observations, less than Eastern Shore less than Western Maryland far western Maryland. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.000 So that primarily in the more populated segments of the state overall. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:32.000 And it makes sense, I think what Walters data some of the his, even if it's from 10 years ago census that that of that hundred percent more than half would be East Asian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese and what have you, and whoever else is kind of generally 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:47.000 considered East Asian versus South Asian and then Southeast Asian which is Cambodian look Laotian and Vietnamese and other folks Burmese perhaps are probably even less than that but depending on how they're classified as a third group, but like I said 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:56.000 if it's 5050 plus and then 30 but that probably sounds about right and Jim said again in terms of my overall understanding. But again, I don't have any data to back it up. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:06.000 So, all it all to say we don't necessarily have an East Asian representation or East Asian American for argument's sake, to be more technically correct representation. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:19.000 So, not that we would seek it, I don't know, we would or, that's the role of the commission to keep adding more advisors or not, I'm not sure one way or the other, to what extent that would be a goal of ours to pursue. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:34.000 And it takes time South Asian is also culturally could be different, not just because of different nationalities, but also different religious backgrounds, so I offered that in my comments to, co chair Hetherington dr hasn't been that while I would try 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:45.000 to do with the best of my effort to represent the overall South Asian American community, as well as potentially in Islamic component or constituency within that community. 00:13:45.000 --> 00:14:01.000 I, I can't say for sure that I represent that as my own my own background so it would be it would be a combination of factors that I would just do my best to do it but I know Miss, Miss ramen background is different than mine. 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:15.000 And so again, and she does have a very impressive background which I indicated, but it's a matter of whether we seek that advice and counsel for the overall Commission's work, which I'm unclear about because I'm not sure if there's a limit on the number 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:29.000 of advisors or if it's just unwieldy to have too many advisors or, or what's the general consensus or feel for how we want to approach that overall discussion or topic of advisors to the commission. 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.000 Okay, great. 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:39.000 We have another question some Commission's are on this issue. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.000 Sorry, at my turn, maybe give me a call. 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.000 regarding their. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:15:03.000 Yes, I was very struck by misuse or ramen experience of particularly and working with the State Department of Planning, but my feeling is now that particularly expertise is better supported by 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:16.000 the Secretary record and his staff rather than seeking outside experts expertise in the things that she was offering there although she definitely is very impressive. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:27.000 So that was my feeling in terms of the expertise related to the planning work that we're getting right now. Thank you. 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.000 Okay. Thank you. 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.000 Anyone else. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Yes, just just Williams. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:52.000 I just want to give a general statement in regards to bringing in experts, I'm in support of, you know, Commissioner Brooks recommendation, also want to sound in support of bringing in as many experts, or subject matter experts as possible to ensure that 00:15:52.000 --> 00:16:03.000 we have, you know, adequate representation of as many different people as we need to have at the table to ensure equity is being represented as best as possible. 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:12.000 Amongst commission so anybody that failed it, anybody that needs to be brought to the table I believe should be brought to the table. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.000 Okay. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:29.000 Judge Williams just one point of clarification for the commission, because I want to make sure people remember advisors to the commission our volunteers who are meant to to serve a purpose of assisting with outreach and connecting with communities, whereas 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:46.000 experts are those subject matter experts. Most of them would be hired, who are assisting the commission with expert material, whether it be with regard to legalities of redistricting or line drawing or anything like that, just wanted to make sure everybody 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.000 was clear on that. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:17:03.000 Sure. And just to all admit that any experts who are hired will be fully discussed on the table and decision made by the full board, where the advisors and the advisors are vetted as well. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:11.000 Yes. And the advisors of courses requests by commission books. 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:17.000 Okay. Any other discussion. 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Well, let me say first of all, we've already made a policy decision that any requests for an advisor will be brought to the full commission to be discussed, and a determination made by the Commission's so when or wind or later or whatever. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.000 But that's such a decision. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:18:00.000 We also need to have before we make a decision on Commissioner Brooks request. We also need to make sure we have clarity on the notion that if we have someone on the commission, who represents a particular group does that mean that we necessarily should 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:07.000 not bring in an advisor. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:28.000 That's a question, and of course all hypothetical hypothetically, the three African Americans are on this commission. I wonder if there's a request by me that we bring in an advisor to give us information on African Americans, and that sort of thing. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:33.000 So, as a policy matter, do you have any thoughts on that. 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:45.000 My view is that we can't make a clear designated position right now just has to be when a nice justified. 00:18:45.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Judge Williams, I would be in favor of having multiple people from a particular demographic represented. Look for as far as I know I'm the only person on the commission that has a person with a disability, and I've had my injury for, you know, 17 years 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:15.000 but to say that my perspective and my experiences the only experiences that out there, it would be a fallacy so I think bringing if we decided to bring on someone else to represent people with disabilities community that I think it would be a much needed 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:20.000 perspective as well to have, because I don't know everything that it entails. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Being a person that lives with a disability, even though I have 17 years of experience and living with it. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.000 Good point. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.000 Okay good phone. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Okay. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:50.000 So before we make a decision on Commissioner Brooks's our request. Can we all reach consensus that nearly because we have representation on the board of a specific demographic, or group that does not necessarily prevent or preclude us from looking at 00:19:50.000 --> 00:20:00.000 an advisor that represents the same group. Can we agree on that. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.000 Georgia. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:27.000 George i i think that it's best to have a presumption that unless there's a solid reason to expand the number of advisors that people that representation of a group should come already should count for something I believe that. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:42.000 I wish that coach are having in order because I think she was saying something similar. I certainly agree there can be exceptions there can be complicated situations or in particular that can be situations where the person from a group doesn't feel that 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:51.000 they can adequately, and that's very important situation to be able to cover so I agree with the charge that we don't want to have a blanket rule. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:21:09.000 But at the same time, it's, it's worth keeping in mind that it could be unwieldy as someone said to ad groups. One thing to keep in the back of our minds, is that some groups are much more relevant as minorities to redistricting than others. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:22.000 Up above all because of the Voting Rights Act, which is front and center as the number one thing that we have to keep in mind, we must make sure that whatever we do is in line with the Voting Rights Act which protects racial minorities. 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:41.000 It doesn't have things to say about other groups, whether it be disabled people or or is the issue of concentration, the Voting Rights Act tries to make sure that a concentrated minority population is not done out of the chance to make its own destiny 00:21:41.000 --> 00:22:02.000 and elections. By getting a candidate of its choice. It isn't as likely to factor in four groups that are not as concentrated and here, for example, you could say that women might or children might deserve a representative and yet they are not concentrated 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:11.000 with the ability to be done out of an election have someone of their choice in a particular district that's why races is unique and important in this area. 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:19.000 And that's why I think looking at Asian representation is very appropriate it's very it's part of our legal 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000 charge to look at Asian representation. 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:32.000 But I would just hold on the back of our mind that non racial groups may not always bring up the same issues. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:43.000 All right. Yes, be sure Brooks, hey, you know, I just wanted to just be clear in saying day. I don't look in typically say oh well there's one person who is raised with that should be enough, or one of another because of our different background and our 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:52.000 That should be enough, or one of another because of our different background and our cultures even within that. So it's something to consider it is not, you know, a paid position. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:23:00.000 It is, you know, an advisement that's all I did bring up the question previous meeting. Is there a limit to the number of badges I believe the answer was no. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:13.000 So I just wanted to bring that up. That's my point and it'll be interesting to see where this goes. But as long as all of us can discuss and happily send it I think that's one of the most important 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:33.000 things that we all agree that there be no blanket rule at all but over the case by case basis with certainty, accept any requests for discussion of an advisor and there's no limitation on advisors, but we're not practical people that we can understand 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:48.000 what we need to do to make sure that our jobs and solitary. So, Walter against in a presumption, but it is, let's say that there's no blanket rule. At this point, but on a case by case basis. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:24:14.000 We would receive, and discuss any request for additional advises judge very close in here. I think it would be useful if the commission would do agree that we discussed the need of a particular representation in the term in terms of an expert generically 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:19.000 before we received resumes for bedding. 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Okay, so if we said, for instance, we really do need someone from a particular ethnic group. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:36.000 In order to support the voting like tech vs here or resonates of people that consider. 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:49.000 Yeah, I will thank all of you, Mrs. I will take all commissions probably agree that that one says a request for an advisor that it'd be brought to the full commission to discuss. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:59.000 And then if there's a vote that is a need for it, then we can start bringing in a resume, that's a reasonable request Sure. 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:15.000 Felt experts and advisors are separate correct Kristin. Is that right, was that. So, yes, both the experts of course would be the people that are hired to assist advisors are those people that I think we discussed this when we brought on. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:32.000 GLORIA is that advisors would be individuals who are are brought to the commission to help with a certain understanding of a community and to assist with outreach to that community as well to make sure that they're aware of the process. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:40.000 What a godless of whether or not they are a, an advisor or an expert they do need to go through a vetting process prior to a vote. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:46.000 Thank you. I heard someone to make sure, Yeah, you're good, you're okay thank you. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:26:04.000 Okay, yeah, before we further discuss making some determination on decision on Commissioner Brooks's requests all the end our discussion or issues that we need to bring up. 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:20.000 Yes, Judge, I was wondering if we had anyone involved the listening from the Attorney General's redistricting redistricting anything that's involved in this process. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Christina Can you help us out there. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:29.000 I'm just I'm looking through the list and I don't believe that we have. 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:36.000 The, the redistricting advisor Council on our on the call today. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:48.000 But if there is a question we can absolutely send a question along to an individual to ask that if you have a specific questions you wanted us to ask. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:27:03.000 I don't have a specific question I just saw no drama research on know these type of commissions that usually the ag is redistricting team is involved in some form or fashion I just wanted to make sure we had all our bases covered. 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.000 And with us that. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.000 So we are very close it again. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:25.000 Can I request that we have nominees formally vetted before they're brought to a vote. 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.000 Hello. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.000 Judge Williams. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.000 Yes, the question is what. 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:39.000 Before we vote on whether there's a need for South Asian that we have. 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:44.000 What expert or, 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:55.000 I'm sorry I felt like voting on the particular individual that we have the resumes for I'm misunderstood to clarify 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:14.000 what we're actually doing is focusing on the concept of having a South Asian advisor and not Yeah, it would be a later, after props, inviting resumes on Miss Romanek particular but what we're trying to resolve today is whether or not to 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:19.000 agree on the idea that there ought to be a South Asian advisor. 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:24.000 That's the part that would be elected to do is solve today what are the other. 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.000 Thank you very much for clarifying Thank you. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:42.000 Okay. Any further discussion before we call for a question or permission book says request for an advisor for South Asian. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:29:08.000 Okay, no further discussion then now on the table is a request by commission of books that we could set up of bringing in and advisor for South Asian community. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:14.000 Cheryl Brooks I think you'll go ahead make emotion, 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:21.000 emotion that we have so representative the South Asian. 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.000 Answer Yes. Yeah. Are there is a second 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:31.000 circuit. All right, just moved in second. 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.000 A fro discussion. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:43.000 How many. We have all night conditions with us today. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:47.000 So we have a. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.000 Alright so 00:29:51.000 --> 00:30:01.000 what's the, the number that would needed security The sun was hot what's believe is seven. 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:07.000 All right. Okay, so it's it's seven to pass a map and five. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:12.000 The majority of the condition for something like this, I believe, is that correct Walter. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:21.000 I think that with one of us App Center, it would be five because for four to four would would not carry the motion. I don't know whether that would be true in other circumstances. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:33.000 I'm not an expert on this procedure but I'm guessing that today would be five that would be needed. I believe it's five Secretary record I believe would have the answer to this as well. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:44.000 Yeah, the commission can transact business with five members according to the according, it's seven to proven that five to transact business so. 00:30:44.000 --> 00:31:01.000 All right, so what you're telling us is that we need five votes to approve this request. Yes. All right. Okay, so let's call the role. And let's see, Christians can you call the role. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:06.000 I need to unmute Jonathan buzzkill. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:12.000 I, Jonathan Am I correct or am I pronouncing your last name correctly. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.000 Yes you are. Okay, just making sure Thank you. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.000 Cheryl Brooks 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.000 JM mean. 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.000 Jim Cummings. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:35.000 I, William tipper Thomas. 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:41.000 new. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.000 Jamie. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.000 William. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:51.000 Yeah, so I just, again just making sure, and then Mary Clawson. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.000 I. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:58.000 Okay, here's the ice habit. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:10.000 I'll call on Monday. Oh judge will you judge Williams. Yeah, hold up, show wins and Olson, and Walter open, I'll talk now. 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Okay. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.000 Okay. Sorry about that, gentlemen. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.000 All right. So what is it, What is it telling. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:42.000 It is what 1-234-567-8717 7721, that says support in support of the quest. Correct. All right. Okay so that has been decided. So if that's the case so will be. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:51.000 Now, how are we going forward now with our resumes. 00:32:51.000 --> 00:33:01.000 So if anyone has additional resumes they would like to submit, I would recommend that they submit them to the CO chairs of the full commission. 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.000 All right before you do that. 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:10.000 When 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:26.000 the weather is not currently another meeting scheduled of the full condition that is a working meeting the next meeting scheduled is Wednesday, July 16 that is a public meeting, you certainly could handle some business prior to that meeting. 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:42.000 If you didn't want to schedule a separate meeting, but that really doesn't give much time so I would, I would suggest that you would have three next week for individuals to submit resumes, if they would like to, by the end of next week, Friday. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:54.000 I will leave that up to you and Walter and Kate unfortunately isn't here so if if judge Williams and Walter kind of want to make a call as to when they would we would want those to be submitted. 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.000 So Walter Are you comfortable with oh one week from now. 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:12.000 Um, well i i think we should give people a week to gather resumes because you know the if it gets awfully heard otherwise so. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:23.000 Kristen was mentioning end of next week. Does that sound reasonable or we need two weeks. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:35.000 I think that's fine. Okay, I think I agree with him that time to get them in and people to know that we're, you know, allowing them to come in is fair 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:46.000 or Walter Why don't we go ahead and agree that a resume should be submitted no later than two weeks on the day or two, it started, how long we need. 00:34:46.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Kristin was suggesting end of next week which is one week from today, but I guess. Sorry if the wires are getting crossed I think week from today or do we want two weeks which it 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:16.000 was a pleasure, don't we do a week, as Tara Olson, you know indicated, does that mean that they come in and then they get sent to us to review so we can discuss them at the next meeting or whatever date that might be. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:21.000 So one week to have them submit it and then discussion it whatever future meeting occurred. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:40.000 So, um, so we would probably do that at a following meeting, only because once all of them are in, they need to be vetted, Just to make sure there's that they're all individuals who who could could serve the committee that they're all that we didn't get 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.000 sent any that that weren't real people, anything like that. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:55.000 And we have to check certain things so we can, if they're in by next Friday we would just need a few days to take care of that on the, on the end of that. 00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:04.000 So, I would think that by the end of the following week we would be able to have all of the resumes that had been bedded to the commission. 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:12.000 So I guess what you're suggesting is that doesn't mean you should be in by next Friday. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:19.000 Is that right, yes good commissioners, that all right. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:27.000 Okay. All right. So, then the following week, they'll be vetted and prepared for discussion. 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.000 All right. 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:53.000 That's cells that a Walter Are there any other issues that we need to discuss on the agenda, there was an item for lessons from the first listening to hearing a Christian is that something where there's some report from the department, about how that 00:36:53.000 --> 00:37:13.000 or did I miss with the agenda. No, I mean No, I just I had sent that to everyone in advance just kind of a debrief that we did very casually among the people that were on the call as to how things went and I just kind of wanted to get any feedback from 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:18.000 any of you as to recommendations or feedback what you think went well. 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.000 Anything that we could do better. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:37.000 You may have seen in the email that I sent to you guys that we that we identified some glitches on the back end that we hope weren't apparent to most of the people that were joining in to watch those have been rectified for the next meeting, and we're 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:41.000 feeling pretty good about the way things well. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.000 Okay. 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:50.000 Any reaction to what was sent to us the report of the first session. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:38:04.000 I do think that if we're going to advertise it to a certain time we do need to somehow either keep it going and do the other business while we're waiting for people to sign in or. 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:12.000 I think in your notes he said put a disclaimer that we could end early, certainly possible but I'd rather. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:22.000 Since we are trying to get the public's reaction I would be better to stay on and conduct other business while we're waiting. If we're waiting. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:35.000 Then, just signing off early. So one of the recommendations that we had internally was just just simply put the start time of the meeting and not an end time to the meeting, and then indicate that the meeting will begin at six because it's not like if 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:43.000 the, you know, on the flip side of that is it's not like if the meeting were to go past eight and we still had four people that needed to speak that we wouldn't allow them to. 00:38:43.000 --> 00:39:01.000 So, it seems probably due diligence just to simply put the start time and indicate that the meeting will end when the last five after the last speaker has finished, rather than to kind of put it, and time on it so that people feel that they would be cut 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:07.000 off and be concerned if they were there and wanting to speak still. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:25.000 I would, I would agree with conventional view, the feedback that I got was similar that if we allow some type of grace period after the last person that spoke to allow people who may be signing or Lee, who may be having technology issues to be able to 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:41.000 hopefully figure that out before the question. The speaking period was half past, so I don't know we can determine maybe five or 10. Maybe 20 minutes after the last question that spoken before we decided to end the meeting. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:40:02.000 I'll leave that time to termination up to the commission, but the feedback I'd get was to allow some type of grace period after the last question has been asked to give other people an opportunity to speak if they got on late or having technology issues. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:14.000 I stayed on for about almost 10 minutes, and maybe not quite that long but I stayed on for a bit. No one else joined during that time I did get an email a few minutes after I got off. 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:25.000 That, that somebody had come to join a little bit later, and couldn't because it was even after the point I got off but of course is somebody came on and it was just me I can't do anything anyway so. 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:42.000 So I don't think that that's necessarily a bad idea is to just give a short grace period, you know and and in fact if we wanted to allow maybe even a 10 minute grace period, that could be a period of time where you guys take care of some kind of old business 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:52.000 new business rather than setting in another business meeting of during the week. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:41:07.000 I want to ask a question about in that grace period, which I think is probably a good idea because there a procedure or protocol as to how somebody who just joined at that point is 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.000 implied like they may want to be listening, and take a field listening or whatever they missed but but still joining listen to whatever else might happen. 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:21.000 But is there somebody wants to join late, do they have to sign up still Howard again getting given a floor if they want to have a four. 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:33.000 So they. So in order to speak you have to register because we, you know, if you were going into the room, you'd have to give your name, and that information so if you join the meeting, via zoom, Then you have to register. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:42.000 And if that person then would want to speak, they would have to put it into the chat box, as, as per the kind of policies and protocols for how the meetings will work. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:47.000 So they would go into the chat box and type that they would like to speak. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:58.000 So they will they would register we would know their information that way. So even if they join the meeting, you know, let's say in this particular case let's say somebody had joined the meeting. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:11.000 Five minutes after it ended, and asked to speak. Then, in this particular case since, because all of the commissioners have gotten off it would have been just me sitting there and I wouldn't have been able to do anything but advise them to join the next 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:26.000 meeting. As I mentioned, there was an individual who emailed saying that they were trying to get into the meeting, but they couldn't put it because it was shortly after the meeting ended and I advise them that they can join the meeting this coming Wednesday 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:37.000 and that meetings are open to all Marylanders, not necessarily just those who live within a region where it's being held in this case of course it's virtual, so it doesn't necessarily matter where you are physically. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:54.000 So, so we can do that as well. But in, as per what you're saying you know during that during that kind of time at the end of it, we would still allow people to chat Hey, I'd like to speak I've come in late, I'd like to speak they'd still be able to do 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.000 that. 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:01.000 Great, thanks for the call. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.000 All right. 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:08.000 Anything further 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:18.000 You have any think you're Christian you want wants to talk in the Walter about this, do we have any social media handles or hashtags or anything we could use to advertise because I. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:36.000 One thing I did pick up was that people just didn't know about right until, right. So, right. So, um, so we we do have, we have been putting that information out through the planning department, the Department of Planning, social media, one of the things 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:51.000 you heard me talk about with Walter right when you joined in, is that when I joined in was that we do have a Twitter account that has been a Twitter account for years and years that we do have access to so we have updated that cleans it up, and can make 00:43:51.000 --> 00:44:08.000 that go live now, and I need I will send out all of those handles in an email to you guys. I sent you the flyer, just before the meeting if you haven't had an opportunity to open your emails I did send a flyer, I believe, Maria if you're on. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.000 I've not been able to check my emails while we're on this meeting. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:17.000 Have we finalized the Spanish language flyer. 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:29.000 Oh, yeah. So it's just not done we're still waiting on that one sentence that needs to be changed in the red box, and I went ahead and I I emailed Gloria back and and just was like hey this is the one sentence well everything else is ready all the Spanish 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.000 is on the flyer. It just needs that one sentence once that's done, once we have it it's done. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:50.000 Okay. And I think, I think she indicated that that one sentence was was okay to go as it is I'm going to make, I'm going to bring glory on here now and allow her to to fill us in on that. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.000 Gloria, I have you live on the phone now. 00:44:53.000 --> 00:45:00.000 Are you. I was gonna say yes it is ready that sentences okay marine It is, it is ok it's just doesn't change the meeting. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:15.000 Perfect. Now, I'll just all this other one and we then we will have that in the next two minutes, super, super so I'll send that flyer out to everybody, along with all of the handles that we use, and then you can check that and share our posts, create 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:25.000 your own posts whatever you'd like. Just to let you guys know from an outreach standpoint, some of the things that we're doing. We do have those flyers that we can circulate. 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:44.000 We did already do the media advisory that goes out to well over 40,000 contacts that we have that include media individuals who subscribed for census information back during when the 2020 census was going on. 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.000 That is several thousand individuals. 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:54.000 Individuals who subscribed to get information about it, about planning, from our department. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:06.000 So we do have several mechanisms for getting that word out not just media advisories but outreach as well, sending the flyer to those individuals, asking them to post it. 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:21.000 Another tool that we that we use that went really well and I think that Gloria can talk to can attest to this as well is that we have during the census we had something called complete count committees, there was a statewide complete count committee, 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:37.000 and there were local complete count committees for every jurisdiction. And so one of the things we did for the eastern shore and we will continue doing, is to send those flyers out to the complete count committee chairs and contacts, so that they can 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:48.000 spread it out to to their contacts across the counties in which they live which would include faith leaders, community leaders, business leaders. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:47:03.000 Local air local chambers of commerce, that kind of thing. We also have are sending this information to the Maryland association of counties to push out as well as the Maryland Municipal League to push out to leaders. 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:20.000 Additionally we send it out to all local government officials, whether that be county executives county councils, or City Council's, that type of thing, that is that is going out to all of those individuals every time I think moving forward, it will work 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:33.000 a little better because we didn't have as much notice for the eastern shore meeting. However, now that we have all of the meetings listed in that list is on our website, we're going to we're going to be doing up the flyers for all of the meetings in advance. 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:48.000 And then we can send those out to you guys next week. It might we might have just a little bit of a delay to get that on the Spanish speaking flyers just because we need to change a couple of things, but we will have all of those out to you, early next 00:47:48.000 --> 00:48:02.000 week so that we can start promoting each meeting well in advance, Christine, and I appreciate it all that all the work that the you have done for this aspect of the immigrant community, particularly with the Spanish speaking community. 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:15.000 But one thing I will say is that you have some procedures, those procedures on how to go into the public hearings on all of that we need to translate that because it's like a you push for number four for Spanish and then everything is in English will 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:31.000 still in the same circle. So I think that information needs to be at the same with a Facebook that excuse me with some registration to put that disclaimer down in the translation down so I I can help you work that with the individuals that are helping 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:45.000 you with a translation and going from that but i think i hope that it went well. I don't get the information about how many people participated and if it wasn't usage of that of that system that we put in place. 00:48:45.000 --> 00:49:01.000 It will be good to know because one thing that I'm doing is activating the Maryland Latino census coalition. That's the group that I'm relying on and also with the community leaders that I'm be working alone, all this time to make sure that we have a 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:16.000 voice, we didn't see that in the end the first one I'm going to make sure that for the next one will have some representation, but I need your help to on that so I know we're working together Thank you, thank you and Maria for for contacting and and making 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:31.000 sure that we get everything ready for our community to come and speak. Thank you. And along those lines everyone I did want to let you know that we have reached out to the organization that was able to assist us with the Spanish translation for this past 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:45.000 meeting and we have discussed with them, setting that up way too advanced for all of the meetings that we have. So whether they are in this virtual format or hybrid will be able to offer that service. 00:49:45.000 --> 00:50:01.000 One of the things you may have noticed and Gloria, just to share with you is that one of the things that we felt that along the lines of what you were saying is that we, we had instructions in English that things were going to be translated in Spanish 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:09.000 and so what we need to have on the screen at the start, are our Spanish instructions for how to do things in Spanish, and that we have a Spanish translator. 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:25.000 So one of the things that could be done as that translator could kind of start off, we could give that individual and opportunity to kind of give those directions in Spanish as well, but we will have that on the screen prior to a meeting starting, we 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:37.000 will get those that kind of the policies and procedures document that lives on the website right now. You're right. We should get that translated into Spanish and have that posted in Spanish as well, so So we certainly can do that and make that happen. 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:52.000 So we certainly can do that and make that happen. Okay, Any other questions. 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.000 Right. 00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:01.000 That seems to exhaust the agenda. 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:13.000 Anything further if not I'll take a motion to adjourn. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.000 The emotion. So moved. 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.000 Second. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:18.000 Second. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.000 All right. Spin No. 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.000 Moved and seconded that we adjourn for the day. 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.000 All in favor just raise your hand. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:49.000 All right, polls.